Testimony: Suspect referenced Ana Carrillo’s body

As hearing delayed, Andrew Hudson brought to Walker park during search for body

LEFT: A Sept. 11, 2017 mug shot of Andrew Hudson. RIGHT: An undated courtesy photo of Ana Marie Carrillo.

WYOMING, Mich. (WOOD) — Family members of Andrew Hudson, who is accused of killing the mother of his children, testified in court Wednesday that he told them, “If they find the body, I’m f***ed.”

Hudson, 39, is charged with open murder in the death of 35-year-old Ana Carrillo of Wyoming. She has been missing since Sept. 3. Investigators believe Hudson lured Carrillo to his home under the pretense of picking up her children, even though they were not there.

Investigators have not said how they believe Carrillo died; her body hasn’t been found.


At a preliminary hearing Wednesday, a judge heard from Andrew Hudson’s brother, Jamie Hudson. He testified he called a Sept. 7 family meeting after learning about Carrillo’s disappearance and that relatives were being subpoenaed in the investigation.

“I wanted answers for myself. I wanted to know whether pretty much whether my brother was guilty of this crime or not,” he said.

Jamie Hudson said when he was in the basement with his mother, father, and his wife when he asked Andrew Hudson if there’s anything they needed to know.

“He made some statement along the lines of: ‘If they find the body, I’m f***ed,’” Jamie Hudson said.

As Jamie Hudson said that, there was an audible emotional reaction from the gallery.

Jamie Hudson said Andrew Hudson never told him about where to find Carrillo’s body.

Jamie Hudson also said his mother, Nancy DeCamp, told him Carrillo’s kids were with her at the time of the disappearance. However, he said his mother also has memory problems.

Also called to the stand was Jamie Hudson’s wife Jessica Hudson. She testified she and her husband wanted to know what was happening because they wanted to know if they would have to protect their children from anything.

She corroborated her husband’s story that Andrew Hudson told family members, “If they find a body, I’m f***ed.”

She said several family members heard Andrew Hudson make that statement. She said everyone “kind of sighed and (was) kind of shocked,” but there was no immediate reaction.

During the family meeting, Jessica Hudson testified, her husband suggested that Andrew Hudson had three options before him: to continue cooperating if he was innocent; to run, but that it wouldn’t make it any better when police caught up with him; or to kill himself.

Jessica Hudson testified that her husband and Andrew Hudson spoke privately for a few minutes after everyone else left the basement. She said her husband left the basement crying and then said they were leaving.

DeCamp, Jessica Hudson said, was very emotional after the meeting.

Jessica Hudson also testified that DeCamp admitted to her that she lied about when she had been caring for Carrillo’s children.

“I asked her (DeCamp), I said, ‘Honestly, tell us the truth: Did you have the kids or did Andy have the kids?’ And she said he did not have the kids,” Jessica Hudson testified. “I asked her why she lied, and she said it was because it made him look guilty.”

Jessica Hudson said she and her husband didn’t volunteer any information to investigators before they were asked because they “didn’t want to be in the middle of it.” She said both she and her husband were later subpoenaed and that they were both honest with detectives while under oath.

The defense questioned Jessica Hudson about some vandalism to her property. She said she could not confirm who was responsible, though she indicated some connection to the Carrillo family.


Carrillo’s roommate, who was the last person known to see her alive, was the first person called to the stand.

Connie Mena said that before Carrillo’s disappearance, she heard Carrillo yelling during a phone call. Mena identified the other voice on the phone as Andrew Hudson, although she did not check the phone number. She said after Carrillo left to pick up her children, her text messages to Carrillo’s phone went unanswered.

Mena said in a confrontation after Carrillo’s disappearance, she and Hudson started yelling at each other on the street. She said Hudson was walking up behind her when her son told her to pop the trunk so he could get out his baseball bat, but she said it never came to that because an officer arrived at the scene.

Mena said she last saw Carrillo wearing a white, fur-lined Aeropostale zip-up sweatshirt with two stripes on a sleeve. She said Carrillo was also wearing an Aeropostale thermal shirt, loose gray running pants and white tennis shoes.

>>Watch the full preliminary hearing (Warning: The video contains expletives)


The final witness called, Wyoming Department of Public Safety crime scene technician Todd Masula, testified investigators found 16 stains on floor in the basement of Hudson’s home that tests showed were blood. He also testified to finding blood in the main-floor kitchen on the front of the sink and that towels found in a dryer had blood stains on them.

Masula testified that blood stains were found all over the basement, including on the floor and upright cabinets. He said there was evidence that someone had tried to clean some of the stains on the cabinets and at the bottom of the stairs, as evidenced by streaks and smearing.

The judge saw photos of blood spatter found on the cabinets and photos that showed a chemical called luminol reacting to blood evidence on the basement floor and on the toolbox on Hudson’s pickup truck.

Earlier, Jessica Hudson testified that Andrew Hudson said he and Carrillo had fought in the basement several times.

Masula testified that clothing debris including buttons, clasps, zippers and the underwire from a bra were found in a burn barrel on a concrete patio in Hudson’s backyard. Some of those clothing items bore an Aeropostale logo, Masula said.


The preliminary hearing was set to begin at 9 a.m., but then adjourned after Hudson’s defense team met with prosecutors for plea negotiations.

Immediately after the morning hearing was adjourned, police searched the Johnson Park area in connection to Carrillo’s case. Cruisers were parked along the road, a police boat was in the water and a Michigan State Police K-9 was called in.

Andrew Hudson was also at that scene to aid in that search, a source told 24 Hour News 8.

Ana Carrillo
Photo: Police search near Johnson Park in Walker in connection to the disappearance of Ana Carrillo. (Nov. 8, 2017)

Officers remained at the scene for hours, but Wyoming DPS Capt. Kim Koster said did not find a body, nor did they find any significant evidence.

However, she said the search would resume Thursday morning in a narrower area with fresh resources.

“We’re hoping that we can bring this home for the Carrillo family, that they can have some closure on this case,” Koster said.

She would not specify what led investigators to Johnson Park.

Testimony in the preliminary hearing finally began shortly after 5 p.m. and wrapped up around 7 p.m. The judge said the hearing would resume at 1 p.m. Thursday. Kent County Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Kellee Koncki told 24 Hour News 8 that she was prepared to call some 20 witnesses to testify, including Carrillo and Hudson’s 10-year-old daughter.

At the end of the hearing, the judge will rule if there’s enough evidence for the case to proceed.


More than 20 Carrillo family supporters gathered in the courtroom Wednesday morning for the hearing. Some cried and held hands as they waited for the hearing to begin. During testimony, they listened intently. At one point, someone in the gallery said Andrew Hudson should kill himself and was escorted out of the courtroom.

After the nearly 12-hour day for Carrillo’s family, her cousin-in-law spoke to 24 Hour News 8.

“It’s been a very hard day, emotional day for all of us. The only thing we can do is come together,” Ruben Martinez said. “Our family continues to just believe in God. We know God’s going to put us in the right direction and that’s what we’re going to have to go by and follow his march and follow his lead and follow the Wyoming police department as well for everything they’ve been doing.”

The details of the family meeting Hudson’s brother and sister-in-law testified about came as a shock to Carrillo’s loved ones.

“Today was the first we heard of it and that’s why it was so hard for the family,” Martinez explained. “We’ve been going through so much for these last two months. Searching up and down, up and down and now they come out with this family meeting and now they come out with certain things Andy said- Just to see how and what happened and the evidence they do have is very hard. It’s very emotional for our family.”

Among the observers was the defense attorney for Hudson’s father, Lyle. Lyle Hudson, 62, is charged with lying to police in connection with the case. His common-law wife, Angela Ruth Wilson, and Andrew Hudson’s mother, DeCamp, are also charged with lying to authorities in connection with the case.

DeCamp is being represented by Joshua Kuiper, the former Kent County assistant prosecutor who is facing charges for a November 2016 crash that led to the firing of a Grand Rapids lieutenant and the demotions of two other officers.

–24 Hour News 8’s Leon Hendrix and Lynsey Mukomel contributed to this report.